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At Rest in #Sticklepath – William John #Labdon

I am exploring some of the people buried in Sticklepath Quaker burying ground. Do you have relatives or people you know something about who are buried there? Please do share your knowledge. (shields_h_f@hotmail.com) I would love to collect the birth marriage and death certificates for anyone who lived or was buried in Sticklepath. Easy enough to order from GRO.gov for most people with such life events after 1837, and only £7 for each pdf copy, but the costs soon start to build up. Please do contact me if you are willing to share information. It would be great for such a collection to be available from the Sticklepath Heritage Group.

One young boy buried in Sticklepath is William John Labdon. Possibly known as Will, he actually lived in South Zeal village, which was in South Tawton Parish. Immediately this raises the first question. Why was he buried in Sticklepath rather than at South Tawton Church? It may have been that this was the closest graveyard or the arrangements could be made more easily here, but perhaps the most likely explanation is the family were non-conformist.

Will died in 1882 aged just 13. Knowing a fact like this, the family history detective can search for other sources. A 13 year old is not likely to have a will, administration, probate or an obituary but there could be a newspaper report of his death or funeral, or a memorial stone. I have not found any of these for Will.

However, everyone dying after 1st July 1837 in England should have a death certificate. Certification of the cause of death by a doctor was not necessary until 1874, prior to this it says in the register if it was certified by a doctor.

William Labdon’s death certificate is particularly informative and a great starting point to build his family tree: It tells us he died in South Zeal on 10th March 1882 of heart disease and phthisis (also known as consumption, TB, or tuberculosis). We will never know whether the TB caused his heart problems or if he had underlying heart problems which perhaps left him frail and more prone to TB. The heart disease is likely to have been a problem with the heart valves as a result of rheumatic fever. Fortunately these problems are very unusual in Devon teenagers today.

Dr G.V. Burd MRCS, certified the death. John Knapman was the registrar. His entry in the register is what forms the ‘death certificate’ we order from GRO.gov today, a certified copy of the entry in the register. Will’s death certificate tells us that his mother, Susan Labdon, was present at the death, and informed the registrar on 15th March 1882. It also states Will’s father was Police Constable Joseph Labdon.

Thinking about the funeral arrangements I wonder how these were made. The Counter family had established an undertaking business in 1850 in South Zeal. Earlier families had to make all the arrangements themselves for items needed for a funeral, including purchase of a coffin. I wonder if the family may have been grateful to be able to hand responsibility to the Counter family for dealing with all the arrangements?

However, looking at the census data, we find that William’s father was also a carpenter. Indeed he later won the contract to provide coffins to the Guardians of the Poor for South Tawton. (Ref: Western Times 17 Mar 1905 p13). I wonder therefore whether this father actually made the coffin for his son?

NEXT TIME: more investigation into PC Joseph Labdon, carpenter and undertaker.

Please note that as I am trying to look into a large number of residents my research may sometimes be incorrect or I may jump to the wrong conclusions. PLEASE do let me know if this happens. Anything you can add would be great too. shields_h_f@hormail.com

This is the second of a series investigating people buried in #SticklepathQuakerBuryingGround.

Sad loss of baby Battershill #SticklepathOnePlaceStudy

One of the first burials in #SticklepathQuakerBuryingGround after the introduction of death certificates in 1837 is that of William Battershill, aged 11 months, son of William Battershill and his wife Mary. The burial register shows he was burial no. 31, and the ceremony was performed by Reverend James Stott.

He died on 26 Nov 1837 and his address on the death certificate was Sticklepath, South Tawton. His father William was the informant, “who hereunto sets his mark X”. The death was registered in Okehampton by James Wilkin Thorne, registrar, on 27 November. Unfortunately the burial register shows William as age 31, likely a transcription error as the burial is this number. Several columns are not completed perhaps suggesting it was completed some time later when all the details were not available.

Baby William died of fits. No doctor certified the death, this was not a requirement until 1874.

Fits are also known as convulsions or seizures. Epilepsy is diagnosed only if a person has repeated fits not just one. Given the wrong circumstances anyone can have a fit. Alcohol lowers the ‘fit threshold’ the level at which a fit may occur, and if, for example, someone then has a head injury, a single fit might occur. About one in every 100 people now has epilepsy. The vast majority are well controlled.

Hippocrates recognised epilepsy as a brain disorder but this was not commonly believed until the mid-1800s. Fits were often blamed on spiritual problems or bad spirits. In the mid-1800s bromides began to be used to treat fits but they were themselves very toxic leading to many side effects. Phenobarbital became available 1912 and was the next medication widely used. Even paracetamol to control fever wasn’t available in UK until 1959, a little earlier by prescription.

Having worked in Malawi 2010-12 I have seen many patients with uncontrolled seizures. We had to just walk past the bed, or mattress on the floor, as no medication or oxygen was available. Positioning the patient to avoid further harm or injury is important.

So in 1837 there would be no effective medication to control a babies convulsions. Herbal remedies or other treatments might have been tried. Tepid sponging would be another home remedy that might help if fever was the cause (full body not just a flannel on the forehead).

Why might an 11 month old baby have fits? We don’t know if this was something new or had been occurring since birth. Fits can be caused by oxygen deprivation during birth or other causes of brain damage. Prolonged labour, pre-term or early delivery, and low birthweight all make fits more likely. They may be associated with cerebral palsy or developmental problems.

Infections would be a leading cause – TB meningitis, other causes of meningitis or encephalitis, and the common childhood illnesses of the time. Viral illnesses, especially Viral Haemorrhagic Fevers similar to Ebola, would be another cause. Imbalance of salts in the blood could also cause fits, including sugar levels, calcium, magnesium, and potassium. There are also some rare inherited causes. Some types of fits only occur in childhood or become less common with age. New fits can occur at any age. A stroke for example can cause fits in older people.

Some people may have had occasional short seizures and otherwise led a normal life. Untreated, as they would be in 1837, fits may lead to further brain damage, affect intellectual development, cause mental health problems and sudden death. These are particularly likely after prolonged seizures or ‘status epilepticus’ (fits lasting more than 30 minutes or repeated fits without regaining consciousness between).

This must have been very distressing for poor Mary and William the parents leading up to William’s death. There will have been many others with similar experiences in the village to support and try to comfort them. Teething may well have been mentioned as the cause at the time – this was held to blame for many childhood ailments.

The Battershills are a new family to me, which means new research avenues to add to my growing list! I have not yet confirmed the family connections but there is a William Battishill also buried in Sticklepath, aged 48 in 1845, likely to be the father. He is noted in the burial register to be Labourer, of Sticklepath (Bridge) We also find a widow, Mary Battershill, in the 1951 Census, with her family living near Sticklepath Bridge (in South Tawton Parish):

Mary BATTERSHILL  Head  Widow aged  51y  born Southtawton Hand Loom Weaver (Serge) 
Susan BATTERSHILL  Daur   12y born  Samford Courtney Scholar 
William BATTERSHILL  Son   10y born  Southtawton Scholar 

Elizabeth Ann BATTERSHILL   2y born  Okehampton

If anyone has already researched this family and is willing to share some information I would love to hear from you. shields_h_f@hotmail.com

NEXT TIME: Another Quaker Burial Register death – William John Labdon (part 1)


There are so many different organisations putting useful information online. It is hard to be aware of all of them. Friends of Devon Archives (FODA) is one you may not have seen.

FODA have placed online the Episcopal Visitation Returns made in 1744 and 1779 by Parish. Bishops were responsible for the morality and Christian teaching etc of each of their Parishes and these visits were part of ensuring things were being done properly. Preparations for the Bishop’s Visitation were considerable and included information gathered from each Parish incumbant. (For more information see Familysearch)

Sampford Courtney, Deanery of Okehampton

In 1744 (Chanter 225A, 358-359  ) the Rector of Sampford Courtenay was John Heath who was ordained September 24 1732 and started  this post October 12 1737. He  states that there are one hundred eighty nine families connected with the Church in Sampford Courtenay; there is one Family of Presbyterians and three of Quakers, though no licensed Meeting House, nor any fixed teacher.  There is a Charity School funded through contributions from the Parishioners, which opened “immediately after Xstmas” 1743, with up to 40 attendees. However, it was not well attended “for they are often shifting”, but teaching was given on the principles of the “Xstian Religion”.

There was no Alms house or Hospital in the Parish.  Thirty three pounds was held for support of the poor and ten pounds had been left by Sr John Ackland for “the binding out four children Apprentices” and a further “twenty shillings a year in land for the use of the poor”.

Rector John Heath states “I have a Chapel in My Parish call’d Stickle Path Chapel about five miles distant from the Parish Church and servd by my self twice in a year, and the Sacrament Administerd there each time as usual. There is likewise an old Ruinous Chapel call’d Brightly Chapel, to which I am presented by the College.”

By 1779  (Chanter 232B, 480) the Rev Rd Edwards was in post, ordained 1772 and instituted August 1772 in “Sampford Courtenay near Hatherleigh”. There were about 120 families. We have to assume Sticklepath is meant by:“There is a Chapel at a Village in the Parish where Service is performed by me twice in the year.”  At that time there were “neither Papists nor Dissenters” known to the priest. A legacy of 33 pounds & “the Rent of a Close amounts to 4 Shillings yearly, which is annually distributed” to the poor.  He also mentions some books left for the use of the priest by his predecessors.

These confirm the earlier impression I had of the Vicar coming twice a year to Sticklepath, basically to offer communion purely in order to collect his tithes!

Gladys Underhill and Jim Cooper Sept 1935

Churches were the focus of many life events, joyous or sad. My grandmother, Emma Lloyd Jones funeral April 1979 led by Rev Stark. Miss Kezia (Kate) Ching of Coombehead Farm married William Middle, Crimean war veteran 1898:

Saved newspaper clipping

Do let me know of any events special to you at this little church. Do you have any photos or newspaper clippings to share?

St Mary’s Sticklepath is progressing well with renovations and is now raising funds for interactive boards for a heritage display. Please consider a donation. Do look at the page for a photo of how good it is looking inside.

Need help getting started with your Family History ?

Devon Family History Society provide a lot of help, records and advice and lots of online talks every year for a small annual membership fee. However there is a special course coming up – led by Janet Few and Sue Bond – that is sure to be great. Very approachable tutors. The dates are:

Thursdays 14 October and 11 November 7.30pm

The cost for 5 hours of tutorial (2.5hr each evening) via Zoom is just £25 which includes membership of Devon Family History Society. (Just £10 for those already members. ) Click here for more info.

Small group so book soon! Devon cases will be used as examples but the principals will apply even if your family were not all Devonian!

‘Mapping your Ancestors’ A Simple Guide #OnePlaceMaps Part 3

The Battle of Culloden 1746 was rather embarrassing for the English; although they ‘won’, without maps they couldn’t track the losers, who escaped.  Such military requirements led to the formation of the highly regarded Ordnance Survey in 1791.  Their first major initiative was to survey the coastline, as the main threat of war at the time was from France.  That first 1 inch to the mile map of the Kent coastline, was published in 1801.  It took almost 70 years to complete their first series of maps, which each cost 1-3x average weekly wage to buy.  For your military ancestors you may wish to try to track their manoeuvres, perhaps using the battalion diary and OS maps.

Later public health, cholera epidemics and sanitation, drove map development and so cities were mapped.  The first well recognised disease epidemiologist John Snow is famed for mapping the Broad Street cholera outbreak in London 1854, using bars to count the deaths in each household .  In fact there were some errors in his map including the exact siting of the Broad Street pump!  He was not a cartographer. Geographical accuracy was not important, his mapping of cases clearly demonstrated the cause. Removing the handle of the offending well soon led to the end of the outbreak.

Diseases can be mapped as they move around the world. Epidemics have sometimes been named for the area they were thought to arise in, often wrongly, as it is usually the place that first identified and acknowledges the problem. I prefer the Greek alphabet approach – today we are facing the Delta variant of Covid and delays to the easing of lockdown.  Many health related maps are now available allowing us to compare, for example, the infant mortality rates, availability of doctors and life expectancy, in different areas, at different points in time.

Subsequent maps were driven by other specific needs – the requirements of the post office, insurance companies or automobiles. There is also a sense in which these services drove the need for specific addresses with street names and numbering. Such maps can add to our ancestor’s story or the background to their lives. If your blacksmith ancestor had fire insurance for example, insurance maps showing details of their premises may survive. For those with London ancestors the Booth Poverty maps (1886 -1903) are an amazing resource giving information about the standards of accomodation. Development of the canals, railway or road system led to increased mobility, contemporary maps can help predict migration – usually along the easiest route.

When studying One-Place such as Sticklepath, it is useful to study migration of the inhabitants, both in and out of the village. Perhaps looking at marriages to people in nearby villages, and how many move short medium and further distances, including abroad. I hope one day to have time to do this.

As genealogists we should really make notes on our own personal history for future generations. A simple exercise which does not need to be too time consuming is to document your own life through. the addresses you have lived at, perhaps if you have more time adding photos and notes on why and when your moves took place. In our own generation we are perhaps more mobile than those in the past.

Sticklepath, a village on the North edge of Dartmoor, mid-Devon, England, was my father’s ancestors home for 200+ years. My grandmother and father lived in Sticklepath all their lives except for a few short years elsewhere in Devon for education and a few days in a maternity home. Dad did have a couple of holidays abroad. His father, son of an Ag lab moved around the farms surrounding Sticklepath, then settled in Sticklepath after marriage. (At 3 different addresses). He spent time in Gibraltar during the 2nd world war, returning to Sticklepath until he needed nursing care in Okehampton in his final months. My own address history in contrast is rather busy and mainly reflects training, occupation and holidays!

I was born in Okehampton Hospital and soon went home to Cleave house, Sticklepath. I went to senior school in North Devon, returning to Sticklepath during school holidays, then headed to the nearest medical school – in Bristol. However, I spent a year between school and university volunteering in Primrose Hill London, just North of Regent’s Park, and then looking after children with severe learning difficulties in Aberdeen. Moves after this were work related and fairly frequent during training. Addresses include Haverfordwest, Hemel Hempstead, Wigan, Bury (Lancashire), Exeter, Croydon. After marriage and qualifying as a GP, we settled in Cottingham near Hull. We later moved to Shrewsbury before volunteering for 2 years in a hospital in Blantyre, Malawi. On our return we lived in Cottingham again briefly before moving to Gloucester. On retirement we moved to be close to our grandson in York and now live in a village North of York. In amongst this I have been lucky to travel both with an elective to India for 9 weeks as a student and several long haul trips around the world.

I suspect the next generations will be more restricted in their worldwide travel, for economic, epidemic and environmental reasons as well as increased use of technology to reduce the need for business travel. Only time will tell…

For anyone interested in mapping ancestors and learning from it do not miss the talk by Dr Sophie Kay at The Genealogy Show June 26th Mapping Alchemy for Genealogy Research – a truly inspirational speaker with stunning ideas!

‘Mapping your Ancestors’ A Simple Guide Part 2: Walking in their footsteps #OnePlaceMaps

Another simple idea is to look at a large scale detailed map and work out an ancestor’s likely route to school or church or work. Best on a map of their era or if using a modern map, be aware of possible changes. Ideally actually walk the route or do so online on something like Google street map. Ask yourself questions about what the experience of walking in their shoes might have been:

Do they pass a market or perhaps a blacksmith’s forge – imagine the noises and smells. like that of the Finch Foundry in Sticklepath, dominating the main street.

Finch Foundry on right. One of the photographs from Mr Stead’s collection, now available on https://dartmoortrust.org/archive/record/103308

What sights were there, views or landmarks, features or milestones? How would that vary in the seasons or over time? How would it look different to today? Types of architecture, specific features of the buildings? Looking at ‘listed’ buildings online can be helpful

What help might your ancestors have needed eg where was the nearest workhouse? Any charitable institutions nearby? Fire service? Police? Do you know where the Police House was in Sticklepath? Initially near the Bridge, later Pixie Nook, on the way out of the village towards Okehampton.

Where is the graveyard? Non-conformists may not have used the Churchyard. Some places like Sticklepath have an ecumenical burying ground.

Trade directories can add more information and help looking for businesses your ancestors might have used or worked at. 

Don’t forget to make a note of your findings! I have made a start on a detailed Walk through Sticklepath’ essentially following the main street through the village and noting anything of historical interest along the way.

(Snowy Footprints Image by jenlargo88 from Pixabay)

‘Mapping your Ancestors’ A Simple Guide Part 1 – #MyColourfulAncestry

The idea is simple. Start with yourself on the left and put your geographical details – usually place of birth. Then do the same for each generation of your ancestors in the following columns. Parents, grandparents etc. I have chosen to use English counties and ‘Wales’ as the county names were rather long! You could be more specific with towns or Parishes, or if your ancestors emigrated widely perhaps use countries.

(Download a blank 5 generation chart. Many thanks to J Paul Hawthorne https://geneaspy.com, and to Sophie@Derbygenes for bringing it to my attention)

5 generation chart of birth places

From this, with a little IT magic it should be possible to create a map of the ancestors origins. (Anyone like to tell me an easy way to do that?)

I was born in Okehampton (the nearest town) as was my father, but we lived in Sticklepath. All the other Devon ancestors except one were born in Sticklepath or in Sampford Courtenay Parish of which Sticklepath was a part.

Salop is the old name for Shropshire or Shrewsbury. My Welsh grandfather was born in Merionethshire and his mother and her parents were from Denbighshire. The grey boxes are unknown ancestors who I hope soon to investigate using DNA.

It makes a colourful image to add to our family history, but this analysis also helps us investigate those unknown ancestors. Considering the geography helps when trying to identify which ‘Sarah Jones’ is likely to be the right one – logical reasoning using a map can help make sense of our evidence.

Always bear in mind however there will be ‘oddities’ like my Mother, the only one born in Gloucestershire. Such individuals stand out clearly and that draws us in to investigate. Why did her parents move? And, especially for more ancient ancestors, how – by canal, sea, rail or road.

Many trains from Wales went through Shrewsbury (See map). This was where my Welsh grandfather moved, in order to work in Bradley’s gentleman’s outfitters. Relatively easy access to visit family back in Wales. There he met his Shropshire lass and they moved to work in Wotton-Under-Edge, Gloucestershire, where Mum was born, before buying a shop in Bristol. From there my mother went to University in Devon and never really left!

If only I was artistic I would draw a map showing the Welsh shopkeeper whose son went to Shrewsbury by train where he met his love in a hat shop, then moved to Bristol to work for the aerospace industry alongside running their own greengrocer’s shop. Their student daughter travelled from Bristol, again by train, to Exeter’s University, gaining her degree. She took bicycle trips and some walks on Dartmoor during courtship, then helped her new Devonian husband run a lorry business. They took pit props and steel to Wales, thus completing the circle! They also transported some of the construction materials for ‘British Steel’, the yacht in which Chay Blyth circumnavigated the globe ‘the wrong way’ in the 1970s.

What would your ancestral maps look like?

For more inspiration Google ‘illustrated maps’. For some great examples, see Tom Woolley who offers articles on how to create your own too.

The next in this series will be accessible here

A Message to Dada

With Phyllis and Muriel’s love and kisses.

Anxious to see Dada and What he may have for them.

No time for letter today.

Glad of yours.

This postcard is addressed to Mr Albany George Finch ℅ Mr Albert Finch at 98 Kings Cross Road, London.

‘Cousin Albert’ Finch and his wife Susan ran the post office at 98 Kings Cross Road. Susan was born Finch too, sister to Albany George. The postcard was posted in Sticklepath, probably at the end of the day, franked 6pm and then travelled to Okehampton where it was franked again at 7.30pm on 16 August 1906. Muriel wasn’t quite two and Phyllis was not yet four years old. It is almost certainly written by their mother, Georgina (nee Ching), wife to Albany, who seems in a rush!

When we think of our ancestors, do we think of them at their age of death? Or perhaps at a particular time associated with a life event or story? Or do we consider all their roles across their lifetime, son, father, friend and so on? In her 80’s Muriel always referred to Albany as ‘my father’ in a rather formal way. I had never before pictured Albany as ‘Dada’.

It feels intrusive to read this intensely personal note, and that sense is not diminished by the 115 years that have passed since it was written.

Then there is that brief message. The children are ‘Anxious to see Dada and What he may have for them’. Do you think this is a veiled instruction reminding him to bring a little something home for his daughters? Or perhaps he often brought something from his travels? As the ‘sales rep’, so to speak, for Finch Bros. Edgetool Makers of Sticklepath he travelled quite extensively in Devon, Cornwall and Somerset.

The postcard tells us that on 16 August 1906 Albany was visiting relatives in the big city. Quite a journey, and for several days it seems. I wonder why he was there? His hosts Albert and Susan were at this address in both the 1901 and 1911 census records, so it was not to assist with a house move. Perhaps Susan was ill or needed his help for another reason? Could it have been a business trip? Perhaps a family matter that Albany preferred to disclose or discuss in person? Or could it have been his faith, his role as a local preacher within the Methodist Church, perhaps a conference that called him to London?

It seems likely he would have travelled by train from Okehampton or possibly Sampford Courtenay station via Exeter to London. Even if he were delivering belongings or collecting tools he would almost certainly have transported them by train.

As usual a small piece of evidence adds to his story but leaves us with more questions than answers! Do please share any other suggestions for his trip.

July 1924 Snap taken when Albany took his two daughters to London, well after both Albert and Susan had died. It will be interesting to see who lived there on the 1921 census when it is released next year.

On this day in 1935…

#52ancestors Week 17 – Favourite Place? Where else but #Sticklepath. #OnePlaceWednesday #OnePlaceStudy

Birthdays are strange things – until we needed to know our birthdate to register for school or claim our pension the specific date was not that important. Genealogists know that, as people often varied their age over the decades of the census. Now however it is firmly part of our identity.

5-5-35 has quite a nice ring to it – easy to remember. That was my Dad’s birthdate, so today would be his birthday. I have therefore. spent some time recalling happy memories. Genealogists eagerly document dates and places, but it is the person we would really like to recapture.

Roger’s home throughout the 80 years of his life was Cleave House in Sticklepath. Initially with his Grandfather Albany Finch and parents, and various other family members over the years.

1939. Roger aged 4 ½ and his sister, with Roy Young evacuee between them. (Dressed up as per first world war).

Shebbear College was his senior school and always meant a lot to him. He remained friends with Gordon Dean (far left), a teacher, Mr Cyril Barfoot, and with Matron (see next image) throughout their lives.

Roger (in shorts) helping to replace the main shaft in the Foundry 1950.
He studied maths at Exeter University, College of the SouthWest, where he met Ann, his future wife. He spent some time in hospital with TB during this time.
They were married in Bristol 1959
By 1961 their family was expanding
And more….
Family life included all the usual celebrations – here a guy prepared for the bonfire in the back yard.
I remember the lupins! The lorry business was run from home. With drivers calling day and night I knew nothing of a 9-5 working day! Home made see-saw in foreground.
Photos can’t capture personality, but Roger liked wordplay, harmless jokes with friends and family. (Poor Mr Cook – always a chef-related comment!)
Roger was interested in black and white photography as a child and young adult, developing his own. He also took all the photos for his catalogues when he started in the hosta business.
They built a National collection and started showing – a steep learning curve to get to the medals.
The coveted Gold Medal at Chelsea. A real team effort too!
He loved to sing from teenager on, whether solo (here accompanied by friend Joanna Young)
or with various choirs, madrigal or singing groups – here Chagford.
He loved a good strong cup of tea (no mugs), and clotted cream (even on cornflakes!)
And could fall asleep anywhere – even on stage.

Ann was his constant companion and love of his life. Here after her MBE award 1986

Golden wedding – they even had an Emerald wedding celebration, 55 years.
There is no doubt that his favourite place was in Sticklepath, probably in the garden of Cleave House with Ann by his side.

#52 Ancestors Week 16: DNA

#DNAday #DNA #Sticklepath #SticklepathOne

Less than a week since I got my DNA results! I have been playing around with them while @patientgenie is patiently taking me through a DNA beginner’s course – two more Tuesdays and I will be an expert – Well OK I will have an idea of the basics! 235 matches 4th cousins or closer on Ancestry. It is a bit mind boggling to say the least! Only 1 cousin I actually have a known connection with so far.

I am hoping this chart is what I am trying to achieve with grouping people – my matches on Chromosome 1 who match each other…. (FTDNA site, the names are repeated across the top and down the side so the grey squares are where the same name is on both. The tick means they match each other as well as me!)

Meanwhile trying to construct a quick and dirty tree as broad and deep and wide as I can. Looking for descendants of direct ancestors siblings is not quite what I am used to. This is definitely a marathon not a sprint, and in this analogy I can hardly walk up the steep learning curve, let alone jog as yet!